As the title suggests, which of the Outer Gods, Great Old Ones or Elder Gods can control people's mind, like hypnotize or take over someone?
What's on your mind?
In the Elder gods fandom wiki, it's claimed that the Elder gods created azathoth (which I gladly discarded in my personal canon), does anyone know who wrote that into the mythos?
I feel like that's more of a pantheon name than a species, since Kthanid, despite being the same species as Cthulhu, is an Elder God, and not a Great Old One
First- I was rethinking how the dreamlands work, and like with randolph carter, the human dreamland treats him as the same size as he was in the waking world, so a dreamland could either be the same size or more/less than a species' waking world. Next rule- if a human wakes up- the dreamlands of the human raise will not be destroyed. Question is: if Azathoth wakes up- then will reality- which is technically his specis' dreamland, be desroyed. ---> I was thinking of the verse in Funggi of Yuggoth "'I am his messenger', the demon said and with contempt, struck his master's head". Is it possible that possibly by azathoth's will that he can be killed within the dreamlands. After being killed in the dreamlands it is impossible to enter again, meaning his dreams will no longer hold up our reality, thus destroying it.
Second- Bokrug, and possibly ghouls can go from dreamland to waking world and vice verse. Could it be possible for other gods, like Nyarlathotep and Shub-Niggurath to transcend to azathoth's waking world?
Third- The circulating theory of azathoth being a puppet to a larger god, could it be possible that if so, there are more layering dreamlands beyond azathoth's waking world?
Looking through this Wiki I noticed that some pages were off, such as the page on the Outer Gods only saying they are defined as existing outside of the Solar System, despite many Lovecraftian beings originating from around Betelguese yet are not defined as Outer Gods.
They are rather in the Outer Void, which needs a page. The Void that appears in Beyond the Gate of the Silver Key. Where Randoulph saw all of the different Outer Gods, it was also brought up in the Dream Quest of Unknown Kadath if I remember correctly.
Also the Ultimate Gate leads to the Outer Void, Randoluph could only see through all Time and Soace for he moves "outside of" and "beyond" all of its extentions. So it is not a gate "through time and space", it rather one that leads outside of all such concepts, in the Archeypal Realm of the Outer Void.
The Outer Void is not Outer Space, Lovecraft made that very clear, so I don't know why the Wiki treats them as just being from Space. Even though "being beyond the solar system", while technically true, is very misleading and even flat-out contradictory.
"A gate had been unlocked—not indeed the Ultimate Gate, but one leading from earth and time to that extension of earth which is outside time, and from which in turn the Ultimate Gate leads fearsomely and perilously to the Last Void which is outside all earths, all universes, and all matter." (Through the Gate of the Silver Key)
"They were sensations, yet within them lay unbelievable elements of time and space—things which at bottom possess no distinct and definite existence. Human utterance can best convey the general character of our experiences by calling them plungings or soarings; for in every period of revelation some part of our minds broke boldly away from all that is real and present, rushing aërially along shocking, unlighted, and fear-haunted abysses, and occasionally tearing through certain well-marked and typical obstacles describable only as viscous, uncouth clouds or vapours." (Hypnos)
"There was a night when winds from unknown spaces whirled us irresistibly into limitless vacua beyond all thought and entity. Perceptions of the most maddeningly untransmissible sort thronged upon us; perceptions of infinity which at the time convulsed us with joy, yet which are now partly lost to my memory and partly incapable of presentation to others." (Hypnos)
"And through this revolting graveyard of the universe the muffled, maddening beating of drums, and thin, monotonous whine of blasphemous flutes from inconceivable, unlighted chambers beyond Time; the detestable pounding and piping whereunto dance slowly, awkwardly, and absurdly the gigantic, tenebrous ultimate gods—the blind, voiceless, mindless gargoyles whose soul is Nyarlathotep." (Nyralthotep)
I cannot make the page myself now, my computer is broken and waiting for another, and Fandom is not the best when you are on the phone version. Trust me, I tried to edit and make pages on this. It is not fun.
For a long time I have been misremembering the Manual of Style rule regarding the perspective of articles. I have been writing under the impression that I shouldn't point out that something is fictional when in fact it should have been in the first sentence. That being said I personally prefer to read a page that carries the In Mythos banner instead and only uses a real world perspective under the Behind the mythos section. Ironically the best example of this is the Cthulhu page which, despite being the example used by the manual of style, is largely written from an in mythos perspective. It manages to maintain the air of mystery and solidity it deserves without losing that literary stance. I'm not suggesting some sort of massive overhaul (I know I say that every time) but I'd be interested to hear your thoughts.
If you guys haven't seen Underwater, I would recommend it. The first live action movie with Cthulhu (which was confirmed by two sources, including the director), apart from the black & white movie "Call of Cthulhu" with the claymation Cthulhu from a while back. It's pretty good, neither a masterpiece or a blockbuster, but for Hollywood movies that involve the Mythos, its great. Stars one A-list actress (Kristen Stewart) and several B-list actors/actresses. Had a $50 million budget but sadly only did $40+ million.
Recommend the show, I've been watching every season. It's a satanic, bloody, and gruesome version of Sabrina (the witch from Archie comics) based on the reimagined Sabrina of one of Archie's rebooted Sabrian comic (the horror comic - The Chilling Adventures of Sabrina). First two seasons, there is no Lovecraft, the threats are Satanic. In season three, the threat are pagan gods / witches but the Mythos is being introduced (e.g. Deep One - uploaded a pic to the Deep One page). In season four (which Netflix has purchased), the threat is going to be the eldritch terrors (the Old Ones).
Hey everyone! SO me and my friend sort of maybe summoned Nyarlathotep....any suggestions/ways to help? We sort of need help like...now? We're pretty fucking scared about this and we're trying to figure out what to do. PLEASE PLEASE HELP!!!
Lovecraft has starred in several books, comics, and books as the protagonist. Should the wiki have a page for the fictional character or not?
You might have noticed that I’ve been on-and-off working through the list of redlinks, trying to remove a lot of the unnecessary ones which have accumulated. Over my time doing this, I’ve found that a large percentage of them are a result of articles which have been directly copypasted from Wikipedia.
So now I come to my point: I think that something has to be done about those articles, but I’m not really sure what. I’d offer to fix them, but I really don’t have enough knowledge of Lovecraft's activities outside of his stories (friendships, publishers, etc), and so I’m not overly keen on having to do all of the research that this would involve.
I see a few solutions to this:
1) We delete these pages entirely. I am not an advocate of this option.
2) We leave the pages as they stand (although many of them contain a lot of information which is irrelevant to our topic, and look kind of messy). I’m not an advocate of this either.
3) We implement a template to distinguish these pages from our own articles, explaining that they are taken from Wikipedia. Not ideal, but an interim option.
4) We strip those pages down to a bare minimum, and wait for someone else to join the wiki who is willing to fill them out. Again, I t’s not ideal, but it would make them more accessible to newcomers to the Mythos, and make them look more presentable. I’d be willing to take part in that initiative. This is the option I’d vote for.
5) We simply rewrite all of the articles. This would be very labour-intensive, and it’s not something I would enjoy doing, but if other editors are willing to do a part, I would pick up my share. Again, I don’t have any experience with Lovecraft’s real life, so it would necessarily be online research only.
If anyone disagrees with anything I’ve said here, then please tell me where I’m going wrong, but it’s something that’s been bothering me for a while now.
So there are three things I'm wondering:
- I wanted to add some more options to the Infobox but to keep it clean meant breaking it up with headers. Do people reckon that clashes with the wikis current style and if so, should it be removed or added to other infoboxes.
- The Manual of Style specifies that each article should be introduced from a real world perspective but this is very rarely done in practice. I would argue that the In Mythos tag and similar top bars do the job without needing to alter the text however if that's not what we want then I'll do some trawling.
- Speaking of tags I would argue that Marvel's Many-Angled Ones and the connected pages should considered to be a part of the Adjacent Mythos rather than the Extended Mythos. Despite referencing things like the Necronomicon Marvel intentionally split certain stories off from the mythos by rebranding the Old Ones as the Many-Angled ones. In addition the Marvel wiki also seems to separate the Cthulhu Mythos from Marvel's characters etc. Again this doesn't apply to all Marvel comics.
Anyhow I look forward to hearing your thoughts and if any of these need sorting I'll probably be able to go more than two days without having to bother the forums.
The first is about the same size as our own and although we're possibly too different in style to merge our pages we could both definitely benefit from linking more to one another. For example our page for the story "The King in Yellow" is essentially a stripped down version of theirs to the extent that we could cut ours down to a paragraph or so and then link to theirs. At the same time if we spoke to their Admins I'm sure the same could be done with their pages on Cthulhu and Lovecraft himself.
The second is far smaller and completely abandoned. As far as I can tell the longest articles are just full Lovecraft stories but their might be some stuff we can salvage. That being the case I'm going to apply to adopt it and if there's nothing there we can use I might apply for it to be deleted.
We've already successfully connected with our Spanish and German counterparts and I'd be interested to hear your ideas on working with the two sites I've mentioned and any others you find.
I am extremely confused between whether Nephran Ka and the Black Pharaoh are the same. I've heard Nephran Ka could be a pharoah controlled by Nyarlathotep. But that he is also reffered to as the black pharoah, but I believe the black pharoah is Nyarlathotep himself in a form.
Can someoen help me identify
Can someoene give me site/s that may contain all, if not most of all the given masks of Nyarlathotep.
Also, is "a thousand forms" literal or is it just a saying and that he can actually create as many forms as he wants. Or is he really limited to those 1000 forms and can't add anything to his masks?
I have almost all of the Cthulhu fiction series from Chaosium. I've read 'em all. But sometimes I feel the urge to re-read a specific story again. The problem is I have to go through a whole shelf of books to find the one story that I want. Does anybody know of any kind of searchable database that I could use to find the specific story that I'm looking for? Thank you for your help!