All posts by Esparza3368

My apologies. I re-read the Manual of Style rule regarding the perspective of articles, and I've seen that is not how I wrote the 100+ articles that I've created in this wiki (e.g. Shuma-Gorath). 

Fixing them is going to take lots of work, but I can do it though I ask that you guys be patient. It's going to take me months to fix them all. 

Now this apply to only the "In-Mythos" pages, or does it also apply to the "Adjacent Works"? Likewise does it apply to the "Mythos influenced works"?

@RingoRoadagain. Sure.

@Tiberius II - True, the Conan mythos has dozens of novels, over a 100 comics, and many characters / locations / objects, etc. I was planning on only adding a dozen or so important characters (such as Conan himself which I've already done) as in his primary companions and the main antagonists. In addition to 1-2 dozens races (e.g. Man-Serpents, Ape-Men, Winged Ones, Demon from the Outer Dark, etc), several Lovecraftian-like eldritch gods (like the newly created one in the new Conan series), a few story arcs involving those Lovecraftian-like beings, and several eldritch monsters. 

@RingoRoadagain. Good question. I have been holding off on adding more Conan stuff to this wiki as I am not sure if they belong or not. Can the Hyborian Tales be considered part of the Mythos (expanded or adjacent)? Or is it only certain specific stories that are part of the Mythos (expanded or adjacent)?

I'm fine for those stories and those like them being moved to ADJ.

@Tiberius II - No problem. I'll simply continue doing what I have been doing. If you need to me to edit / fix the categories or the tag let me know. I know you are going through the wiki and correcting things, but no need for me to make any extra work for you. Just let me know, and I can fix anything I've added.

That's cool. I wasn't taking it as an attack or anything like that. Just explaining that there is a lot out there that has incorporated elements of the Cthulhu Mythos. For example, I just learned about that Zorror comic last week. Haven't read it but it does have the Mythos. It's why I'm putting those questions to the admin and moderator, so I can know how to add any future pages that aren't in the Cthulhu Mythos itself but incorporate elements. Trying to be consistent here.

@TheSmoog78 - There's a number of fictional worlds which have incorporated parts of the Cthulhu Mythos. The Wonderland series by Zenescope is one of them, a spin-off of the Grimm Fariy Tales, with over 100 issues and a dozen comic book series and mini-series. This year another comic book company has started a Zorro comic book with the Cthulhu Mythos. That's not including various video games (e.g. Quake), Japanese animation series, and even Hentai.(e.g. Mystery of the Necronommicon).

By this weekend I will be adding to this wiki the Lovecraftian universe from Zenescope Entertainment's Grimm Fairy Tales: Wonderland. In which they reimaged the tales of Alice in Wonderland, putting a Lovecraftian spin (Lovecraft, Great Old Ones, R'lyeh).

The stories of course would be in the Adjacent Category as it has been agreed upon. But what about the Jabberwocky which they reimagined as an Old One (the youngest of them all), would it be added to the following categories:

1. Great Old Ones, Characters, Expanded

or

2. Great Old Ones, Characters, Adjacent

Another example would be the "Mirror to Wonderland" which is an eldritch object powered by Old One. Would it go to:

1. Objects, Expanded

or 

2. Objects, Adjacent

So let me see if I get this straight. An entry for an Old One like Shuma-Gorath (Conan / Marvel) would be added to the following categories:

Great Old Ones, Expanded Mythos

But stories involving Shuma-Gorath belong to the Adjacent category as Marvel comic books starring the character are not within the Cthulhu Mythos.

Same applies to Old Ones created for Doctor Who (e.g. Animus), Pathfinder, and so on. They go on the category for Great Old Ones and Expanded, but their stories belong in Adjacent.

Stories that have Cthulhu, the Necronomicon, etc as the antagonist or center of the story but which take place outside the Cthulhu Mythos end up in Adjacent?

Not sure how that would work RingoRoadagain. So for example say Shuma-Gorath would be in both the Expanded (Hyborian Tales) and Adjacent (Marvel), but the Old Ones created by Marvel Comics, Paizo Inc, and DC Comics would be in the Adjacent? Likewise characters like Set (Modiphius' Conan RPG) and the Jabberwocky (Grimm Fairy Tales Comics) who have been turned into Old Ones would be in the Adjacent category?

What about the Army of Darkness comics, Evil Dead movies, and the Ash vs Evil Dead series? Though they have little in common with the Mythos (nothing of it appears in them), they all revolve around the Necronomicon?

It depends on the wiki. Some fandoms are ok with the copy and paste, as long as it's your own work. Other fandoms accept pages that are brought over using the "import" function, reason being it not only brings over the page but also brings over the history (in other words proof that you were the creator). Personally I am totally fine with the copy and paste. In fact I've done that myself. Some fandoms were fine with my copying and pasting, and some fandoms requested I rewrite it or it would be deleted (and therefore I rewrote them).

The only other thing I can think of is sending an email or something similar to whoever posted that page, telling them they need to rewrite it or it gets deleted. The other option like you said is for those of us who are still active to rewrite it ourselves. Personally I say just put the banner on it saying it was copied or imported from Wikipedia.

Make a rule going forward that the only time something can be brought from another wiki, is if you were the creator and if that is the case you need to use the "import" tool / method so that the history comes across too. It's been ages since I've used the "import" option but if I recall correctly it doesn't remove it from the other wiki, it just duplicates it in the new wiki right? Or does it actually delete it from the old wiki?

It's my opinion that one shouldn't be copying and pasting or importing anything from any other wiki, unless it's your own work (every single thing on that page).

At minimum, if it was copy and pasted from the Wikipedia, it should have some kind of banner that specifically says it comes from Wikipedia or something along those lines.

That being said, I'm fine with whatever the community decides on this issue. Moving those from DC, Marvel, Doctor Who, etc to the Adjacent Works or keeping them where they are. What I am hoping for is consistency. It's annoying when one puts in a lot of work, months later because of a new admin or a few loud voices, things abruptly change. Dozens or hundreds of pages get deleted, often with little to no notice. Alien Species Wiki did that recently. Originally they were going to give people time to export their pages elsewhere. When the vote was over, admin went through like a scythe within 24 hours.

Varnae is tied to the history of the Darkhold, the source of the Necronomicon in the Marvel multiverse. It's true though that so many Marvel characters have appeared in stories in which Shuma-Gorath, Chthon, N'Garai, Slorioth, the Darkhold, etc have appeared that we are talking about at least 100 more pages. I just did a few Marvel characters, primary ones with their own Mythos stories and/or background.