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Wanda Maximoff[]

Wanda Maximoff has gone through a few odd iterations over the years. However, a few things are consistent: she gained her powers at Mount Wundagore, which is the site at which Cthon created the Darkhold (basically she gained powers at the place where Marvel's Super-Necronomicon was written), and she continues to come into the gravity of Cthon's orbit. He's important enough to be a page here, and as much power as the Scarlet Witch has absorbed via her connection to him, I believe she should continue to have her own page.

It'd be different if this was Pietro (Quicksilver) as he has never exhibited any super-natural powers, but Wanda had consistently over the years, interacting with such beings as Agatha Harkness, Nicholas Scratch, and the Salem's Seven. I think simply lumping her in on Cthon's page would be a disservice to the character. MDGeistMD02 (talk) 10:58, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Angerboda[]

If she’s a descendant of Set, and Set is fully integrated into the Mythos, then this one should stay. Sure, it’s not a particularly strong connection, but it’s there, and I dont think we should exclude content for the sole reason that it’s available on the Marvel wiki. TheSmoog78 (talk) 13:17, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

As with numerous other entries here, there seems to be a collective dislike for Marvel characters connected to Elder Gods even though they have more substance than some of the offspring of Cthulhu and other figures here whose inclusion here has never been in doubt despite almost nothing being known about them. I feel she should stay. MDGeistMD02 (talk) 08:56, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Cerberus[]

I’m of a mind that this should stay. As Set has been integrated into the Mythos, surely his descendants should be also.TheSmoog78 (talk) 08:22, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure what the issue with the dislike of Marvel-centric Mythos connections here is (or was). The reason given was that save for Cerberus being a descendent of Set, there's no other connection to the Mythos. That's like saying well, save for being Cthulhu's kid, there's no reasons to keep this page. Many, many pages here are a single sentence or two and a link to some obscure story or tale I've never heard of, and yet these individuals are allowed to stay. I think this page should remain here because Cerberus in the Marvel Mythos is a child of an elder god; I'm not seeing why he wouldn't. MDGeistMD02 (talk) 22:12, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

Chimaera[]

This is another one I believe should be kept. A descendant of Set is still a connection to the mythos.TheSmoog78 (talk) 08:28, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Similar to my opinion of the Cerberus article above, I think this is another candidate that should remain. And for the same reasons. MDGeistMD02 (talk) 22:13, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

Lovecraft's Inspirations[]

As it stands, this page is not much better than a category. But a page on Lovecraft's inspirations should be more than just a list--it should explain why we think various authors influenced Lovecraft, and who says so. I would keep and see if we can improve it. Hrairoo (talk) 01:30, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

Sirens[]

Personally, I feel that a case could be made for keeping the Sirens. Sure, they only appeared in Marvel (as far as I know), but they have also been referenced in classic stories like "The Black Kiss" and "Spawn of the Green Abyss". -- BlueFrackle (talk) 11:58, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

The tricky part is that Marvel's sirens is different and don't not look like sirens from myth (which is likely what those stories referred to). All classical literature portray sirens as bird women, not merfolk.My girlfriend was a loli. 01:29, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
Sirens as merfolk is not a recent depiction, and there are classical examples of them as fish-folk which are thousands of years old. From Wikipedia: "Sirens were later often used as a synonym for mermaids, and portrayed with upper human bodies and fish tails. This combination became iconic in the medieval period … Some surviving Classical period examples had already depicted the siren as mermaid-like. The sirens are depicted as mermaids or "tritonesses" in examples dating to the 3rd century BC, including an earthenware bowl found in Athens and a terracotta oil lamp possibly from the Roman period." TheSmoog78 (talk) 14:02, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
Hmmm, I always found that article weird. It claims that "it was Apollonius of Rhodes in Argonautica (3rd century BC) who described the sirens in writing as part woman and part bird." But "By the 7th century BC, sirens were regularly depicted in art as human-headed birds." But the year in BC (before Christ) is descending. So either the writing is just confusing and people depict sirens as bird women 4 centuries before Argonautica, or the editor who added that part was clueless.
Regardless, I didn't say merfolk sirens is recent depiction, I'm aware that mermaid sirens became traditional in medieval era. I said "All classical literature portray sirens as bird women. And I called it "tricky part", reimagine myth/fictional character isn't new and I've no objection of keeping the article. Just wanted to pointed out that, again, they're birds in classic literature. My girlfriend was a loli. 06:13, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
To be honest, although this discussion is interesting, I don't think that the physical appearance of the sirens in medieval art and classic literature is all that important for this wiki in particular. What's important in this context is how they're portrayed in the Mythos. In "The Black Kiss", it's speculated (not confirmed) that the sirens of myth might actually be the sea-dwellers, which are serpentine aquatic creatures (not exactly mermaid-like, but much closer to mermaids than to bird-women). In "Spawn of the Green Abyss", the titular Spawn are the degenerated descendants of the ancient sirens, but we don't know what they looked like originally. Regardless of physical appearance, I'd argue that the defining aspect of sirens is the ability to enchant people with their voices. This is consistent with the Mythos, although in both stories I mentioned, the "voices" are more like telepathic calls than anything else (stuffing your ears with wax wouldn't work, sorry Odysseus' crew...) -- BlueFrackle (talk) 12:54, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Naggoob[]

There are three points I'd like to make in defense of the Naggoob page.

First point: the basis to claim that Naggoob is just another name for Shaurash-ho is the HPL family tree. But Naggoob is from "The Horror in the Gallery", a story that doesn't use that genealogy. In that story, Yog-Sothoth is the father of Cthulhu, not his grandfather.

Second point: even if we do accept the HPL family tree, the idea that Naggoob must be the same as Shaurash-ho is flawed. Carter explicitly calls Nug the grandfather of Ghouls, and Naggoob the father of Ghouls. If taken literally, that would make Naggoob a child of Nug, not a grandchild like Shaurash-ho. Going by the HPL family tree, it would make Naggoob a brother of Cthulhu and uncle of Shaurash-ho.

Third point: the fact that Shaurash-ho is the parent of Yogash the Ghoul doesn't mean they're the "father of Ghouls" in general. Shaurash-ho might very well have mated with a descendant of Naggoob and spawned Yogash. There's no reason to assume that "parent of Yogash the Ghoul" automatically means "father of all Ghouls".

Based on these three points, the more I think about it, the more I think that the Naggoob page is valid. -- BlueFrackle (talk) 12:01, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Ishiti[]

I think this one should stay. A descendant of an Elder God in the Conan setting ticks enough boxes for me. TheSmoog78 (talk) 20:58, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

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