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  • Hi, sorry to bother you again. I’ve been adding pages about fictional characters to this category, but I’ve just noticed that it has the Realworld template attached. Asenath Waite was already there.

    I’m just wondering if this is intentional, and if so, is it worth adding a category to cover fictional deceased characters? I’m not bothered either way, but I don’t want to compound my mistake if I’ve made one.

    Fil

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    • Nothing to be sorry about.

      I guess we should have two different categories for real person from characters. The current category seems to be 50/50 at the moment. I leave to you to decide if you want it to be real life person or character.

      (of course, the real person who got incorporated into the Mythos narrative can be in both categories.)

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    • If you mean the folks from The Battle That Ended the Century, sure. Otherwise I don’t know who that is.

      I think I’ll delete the original tag and just create Deceased (Realworld) and Deceased (In Mythos).

      Thanks for the speedy response,

      Fil

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    • I was more along the ines of, for instance Lovecraft himself who was a character in Robert Bloch's stories, or in the Swamp thing comics. Many Necronomicon books also give him a fictionnal biography.

      Alan Moore's Providence comics intentionnally blurred the lines between reallity and fiction and many of his character exist in the real world. (lovecraft's family, bloch, ashton Smith, Lord Dunsany, Robert Howard, among others)

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    • Fair enough. I think that someone with greater knowledge on this (such as yourself) might be better placed to add the tags that I’ve missed at some point. However, I’d argue that blurring the lines between real-life individuals and story characters would mean that they need to have at least a paragraph or two explaining their fictional representation in the Mythos.

      Fil

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  • Can I ask why this doesn’t need the Inmythos tag? My understanding of this tag was that it was to differentiate people/entities/places/things from the Realworld tag.

    Fil

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    • I changed the Manual of Style some weeks ago to decomission it so I delete it when I see it. I sent a notification to this wiki userbase about the update this was a part of.

      Now, all articles are be considered in universe by default unless they have the realworld tag. Most wikis i went through operate as such and i did not see much of a reason to continue using that practice of the previous admin team.

      I'm always up for debate but I really don't see much advantage about using it to be honest with you, especially considereing we put a mythos era tag already.

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  • Hi again! I'm writing to let you know there's a new Global Taxonomy feature out. It compiles all the places a user visits, figures out if there's a trend among them, and then makes a list of recommended wikis tailored to them. In this context, it'll attract fans and newcomers to the wiki! You can read more about it on the blog, plus if you're interested in template use, you can check out this link, too. Hope you find them helpful!

    The Silver wings of Night (talk)
    @fandom 22:07, December 1, 2019 (UTC)

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  • Hi RingoRoadagain.

    I'll be wrapping up the comics section pretty soon, at least my contribution. Will start working on movies and episodes that have the Mythos. Couldn't find a template to use. Is there one and I missed it?

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  • Hi there Ringo, how goes?

    I know that you’ve had a request for something similar recently, but I’d like you to consider promoting me to Moderator status. Whilst I’ve had negative interactions with other users here in the past, I have made an effort to stop this behaviour. I’d also like you to take into account my Lovecraft Wiki-wide editing (my attempts at improving old articles) and my ongoing additions of pages directly linked to the Mythos.

    If you grant me these rights, I would primarily use them to rename the files which I have already uploaded in a style (of my own, I admit) which I dislike.

    Regardless of your answer, I’d like you to know that I will continue contributing, at no greater or lesser frequency.

    Fil

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    • Hi, I'll think about and come back with an answer next week-end.

      I am hesistant only because I would not want an army of wannabe moderators asking me after that.

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    • To be perfectly honest, I would only really need the rights for a few days, just long enough to rename the files I mentioned previously. I’d be happy to have them revoked as soon as that little project is complete, if that makes any difference.

      Fil

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    • If it's jsut that you can just give me a list with the old and new names and I would do it no problem.

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    • Sure, I can’t really think of any other reason I might need them. I’ll put together a list and pass it on in the next couple of days.

      Fil

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  • Hi, I realise that I've been gone for ages but I was wondering if there was any sort of application process for becoming an admin? This is mostly just to clear out the Candidates for Deletion section but more generally to help out around the site.

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    • To be fair I'd never heard of a content moderator before but it seems to be exacty what I was looking for. It's perfectly reasonable to want leave a gap while I get my bearings back and I look forward to working with you again. 

      Ps: I've been talking to someone on another about marking pages for deletion. I've always left my explanation in the edit notes but would you prefer that it goes on the actual page?

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    • I updated the "delete" template. You should be able to give a reason when adding it to a page.

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  • Please delete this page, as it was an attempt to create a sandbox which I messed up, and I’d rather not have it floating around as a reminder of my incompetence!

    https://lovecraft.fandom.com/wiki/TheSmoog78%27s_Sandbox

    Thanks,

    Fil

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  • Alright, before I go any further, with the Mythos-influenced category. From what I can see, one individual is now making a big deal out of this. I really don't want to have to keep defending myself and what I post. Originally in the talk page of "Marvel Comics", I mentioned about making a category for Lovecraft-inspired and Lovecraftian-like fictional creations (for example the Brood of Marvel, who are rip-offs of the xenomorphs of Aliens, one of the finest examples of cosmic horror in cinema), and it appeared it was fine. Now I am hearing the same old song from the same old voice, it's getting old.

    As for the Shadows & Vorlons, practically every sci-fi geek knows that Babylon 5's lore has Lovecraftian elements and influence. In fact one does an online search about "J. Michael Straczynski" (the creator of Babylon 5) and Lovecraft, you'll see articles about it and even an interview in which he talks about it. Tried to link it, but Fandom flagged the weblink as spam. Regardless, can we come to a final resolution on this. Say the word, and I will stop all activity on the Mythos-influenced Category. So as the English of medieval England like to say, "What say you?"

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    • I can see you’re only picking up on the parts of my message that you want to address. I’ll try and answer your points as they have been entered.

      Babylon 5 may have a handful of elements inspired by the Mythos but this does not mean that everything in its extensive universe is Lovecraft-influenced. For example, anybody could write a story and include the term First Ones but this does not automatically translate to that piece being Lovecraft-influenced.

      I began editing here a short while ago, and through my time spent here encountered content which I do not believe belongs on this wiki. Rather than just ignore them or start removing content arbitrarily, I chose to bring my concerns to the admin, which I saw as the most responsible course of action.

      As for information being on the wiki for years, have you ever considered that certain pieces may have been left as editors who lacked any specific knowledge on a subject chose to leave a topic on which they are uncertain alone?

      Mass Effect, Dead Space, Prince of Darkness, Cigarette Burns, I have no idea about, and as such wouldn’t consider it appropriate to comment. The Thing, Event Horizon and Stranger Things I surely do agree with. The Alien franchise, probably not.

      I don’t think that you just pulled stuff from out of nowhere. I believe that these are things that you want to write about, and that at least some of them have been tenuously and misguidedly linked to the topic of Lovecraft, hence the reason I have brought them to Ringo's attention. As he has stated, collaboration on a wiki is key, and to expect to be allowed to post anything you feel like without having discussion on the subject is somewhat naive. A wave of the hand and a statement or two about how YOU feel that you know better, or that “somebody else wrote about the same show first, so anything I post about it must be alright” just doesn’t cut it for me.

      I’m sorry if you feel attacked on this, but have you ever considered that others might feel the same way as me and have simply chosen not to challenge it, or do not believe that they have sufficient knowledge on the topic to argue a case?

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    • If I remember correctly I just put things which were from other pages' trivia sections to the one you linked above, just to have them all in one place. I could have done a mistake so I think it's fair to ask, in the articles' talk pages, whether something is Lovecraftian or not but I will not make a general rule right now.

      No other pages used the Mythos Influenced templates before your arrivals so we are breaking new grounds for this wiki. We probably need to adopt a rule about what could or should be covered. But since we don't, I am not sure how/if to distinguish comicism and weird fiction in general from lovecraftian and I don't want to delete a page and set a precedent without some sort of agreement. (The only thing we explicitely exclude is fanfiction --ie not professionally/comercially published works or done without aquiring proper licensing)

      I am assuming good faith from other, and I would like everyone to do the same. ie not second-guessing motives behind posts but discussing the contents of these posts.

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  • There have been some pages added recently which I don’t believe belong here. Tyranid is one. If you’re not familiar with Warhammer, the Tyranids are an extra-galactic species of insect-like creatures whose sole purpose is to consume all biological matter in their path. Whilst they may bear some superficial similarities to Lovecraftian aliens, their entire design was ripped off of the creatures created for the Alien franchise by H. R. Giger. Whilst Giger named one of his books the Necronomicon, it was his own work, and Lovecraft's inspiration was minimal.

    So, I think that the connection of Tyranids here is tenuous at best. As are the Vorlon and Shadow pages. Tentacles and a desire to control other races do not equate to Lovecraft inspiration.

    Fil

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    • Yes I agree that it's getting difficult to consider what is lovecraftian-influenced or not. For instance, Geiger has become somewhat synonimous with Lovecraftian aesthetics such as on some special covers of Alan Moore's Providence comics but to consider all Geiger-esque art to be lovecraftian seems a stretch if it's the only link.

      At the very least, i think if one of the authors mentioned the influence then it would count. Honestly i am more of "death of the author" mentality but do you think we should make it a policy?

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    • Couldn’t hurt to make it a policy, but I’ve no idea how you would go about implementing it.

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  • Hi Ringo, how goes? I’ve just seen that a new user is adding the Characters category to Great Old Ones. I’m not sure about this myself, as technically they are characters, but I personally wouldn’t categorise them as such. They’ve also added a few *-like Old Ones categories, which I’m pretty sure are not alright. Anyway, I hope this message finds you well,

    Fil

    Edit: My mistake about the Great Old Ones, I’ve seen that this has been done previously and is accepted. The second part still stands, though.

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