Hi, sorry to bother you again. I’ve been adding pages about fictional characters to this category, but I’ve just noticed that it has the Realworld template attached. Asenath Waite was already there.
I’m just wondering if this is intentional, and if so, is it worth adding a category to cover fictional deceased characters? I’m not bothered either way, but I don’t want to compound my mistake if I’ve made one.
I guess we should have two different categories for real person from characters. The current category seems to be 50/50 at the moment. I leave to you to decide if you want it to be real life person or character.
(of course, the real person who got incorporated into the Mythos narrative can be in both categories.)
I was more along the ines of, for instance Lovecraft himself who was a character in Robert Bloch's stories, or in the Swamp thing comics. Many Necronomicon books also give him a fictionnal biography.
Alan Moore's Providence comics intentionnally blurred the lines between reallity and fiction and many of his character exist in the real world. (lovecraft's family, bloch, ashton Smith, Lord Dunsany, Robert Howard, among others)
Fair enough. I think that someone with greater knowledge on this (such as yourself) might be better placed to add the tags that I’ve missed at some point. However, I’d argue that blurring the lines between real-life individuals and story characters would mean that they need to have at least a paragraph or two explaining their fictional representation in the Mythos.
I changed the Manual of Style some weeks ago to decomission it so I delete it when I see it. I sent a notification to this wiki userbase about the update this was a part of.
Now, all articles are be considered in universe by default unless they have the realworld tag. Most wikis i went through operate as such and i did not see much of a reason to continue using that practice of the previous admin team.
I'm always up for debate but I really don't see much advantage about using it to be honest with you, especially considereing we put a mythos era tag already.
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I'll be wrapping up the comics section pretty soon, at least my contribution. Will start working on movies and episodes that have the Mythos. Couldn't find a template to use. Is there one and I missed it?
I know that you’ve had a request for something similar recently, but I’d like you to consider promoting me to Moderator status. Whilst I’ve had negative interactions with other users here in the past, I have made an effort to stop this behaviour. I’d also like you to take into account my Lovecraft Wiki-wide editing (my attempts at improving old articles) and my ongoing additions of pages directly linked to the Mythos.
If you grant me these rights, I would primarily use them to rename the files which I have already uploaded in a style (of my own, I admit) which I dislike.
Regardless of your answer, I’d like you to know that I will continue contributing, at no greater or lesser frequency.
To be perfectly honest, I would only really need the rights for a few days, just long enough to rename the files I mentioned previously. I’d be happy to have them revoked as soon as that little project is complete, if that makes any difference.
Hi, I realise that I've been gone for ages but I was wondering if there was any sort of application process for becoming an admin? This is mostly just to clear out the Candidates for Deletion section but more generally to help out around the site.
I'm currently an admin for the Gone with the Blastwave Wiki but given that it's just under 99% smaller than this one I don't know how much of a qualification that is. Thankfully we've got a pretty healthy community so I realise that there isn't too much blocking to do there but even so there's a lot of housekeeping for one person to do. As far as admin rights go it would be handy to be able too weed out stubs and duplicate pages without just dumping all of it onto you.
I also have to admit that I'd be proud simply to be labelled an admin on a wiki I'm so fond of but I'd try not to let it go to my head.
Ultimately it's your call but I thought it would be worth throwing my hat into the ring either way.
It seems that what you ask for is cloder to "CONTENT MODERATOR" rights.
I remember that you particpated much and gave interesting opinions before you went away for some time.
Therefore, as FANDOM prefers that long standing active memebers can get user rights, I would prefer that you remind me in about a month or so after your return to make you a Content Moderator. In the meantime, to help me better assess, you can already as a normal user point to me actions you believe are required related to:
To be fair I'd never heard of a content moderator before but it seems to be exacty what I was looking for. It's perfectly reasonable to want leave a gap while I get my bearings back and I look forward to working with you again.
Ps: I've been talking to someone on another about marking pages for deletion. I've always left my explanation in the edit notes but would you prefer that it goes on the actual page?
Alright, before I go any further, with the Mythos-influenced category. From what I can see, one individual is now making a big deal out of this. I really don't want to have to keep defending myself and what I post. Originally in the talk page of "Marvel Comics", I mentioned about making a category for Lovecraft-inspired and Lovecraftian-like fictional creations (for example the Brood of Marvel, who are rip-offs of the xenomorphs of Aliens, one of the finest examples of cosmic horror in cinema), and it appeared it was fine. Now I am hearing the same old song from the same old voice, it's getting old.
As for the Shadows & Vorlons, practically every sci-fi geek knows that Babylon 5's lore has Lovecraftian elements and influence. In fact one does an online search about "J. Michael Straczynski" (the creator of Babylon 5) and Lovecraft, you'll see articles about it and even an interview in which he talks about it. Tried to link it, but Fandom flagged the weblink as spam. Regardless, can we come to a final resolution on this. Say the word, and I will stop all activity on the Mythos-influenced Category. So as the English of medieval England like to say, "What say you?"
My belief is that Mythos influenced content has its place on the wiki which is stance that already existed before my first contributions to it. Furthermore it appears that scholars such as Robert M Price consider them to be worth mentionning.
That said, I share some of the other users concerns about what could be considered lovecraftian or not. (for instance, if it's just because of Geiger-like aesthetics that does seem a little weak at first glance)
At the very least I would consider stories whose authors admitted the influence to be within the scope of the category.
To keep it sensible, I would say that any page can be created but a debate over its inclusion can be held case-by-case in its talk page. (but don't expect the conclusion to always be reached quickly). Which is basically how any wiki i know of work.
PS: I'm surprised that you could not post an URL. I'll try first try to put it in using a VPN (if i can find the address) to check if it does the same with me.
What about fiction that is cosmic horror as defined in literature and among Lovecraft-fans but which there is no known acknowledgment of his influence? Anime like Gunbuster (Space Monsters) and Gurren Lagann come to mind, and movies like Annihilation and Event Horizon. Don't recall if the writer of Alien ever acknowledged Lovecraft, but that movie meets the criteria of cosmic horror.
The reason I’m making a deal out of it is because I think that the Lovecraftian-inspired category is being used as an excuse to add articles on topics which the author wants to write about, but which don’t have any meaningful bearing on this wiki. I have absolutely no problem with the category. I don’t think that stuff should be on here just because it’s cosmic horror, Lovecraft may have been a pioneer of the genre, but he certainly doesn’t have a monopoly on it. As for J. Michael Straczynski, yes he was heavily influenced by Lovecraft, but that does not translate to everything he did being Lovecraft-influenced. I’ve searched as you suggested, and in my results, could not find a single thing linking either the Vorlons or the Shadows to Lovecraft in any relevant way. Before you ask, yes I own all of Babylon 5, Crusade and the spin-off films, and have a friend who had a hand in the miniature tabletop combat game. He has not come across any references either. The most commonly associated Babylon 5 element I have encountered appears to have been the movie Thirdspace, which was not about either the Vorlons or the Shadows.
Actually on this wiki, if you look at the history of "Cthulhu Mythos in popular culture", Babylon 5 has been included since 2012 during the period when the founder of this wiki "Xarden" was still active. He edited the page and didn't remove the entry. So he must have approved of Babylon 5 being included.
Fast forward to 2017, when Xarden was no longer active (last in 2016 from the looks of it). We see our current admin "RingoRoadagain " editing that page and leaving Babylon 5 in the page. He has also contributed things that you probably would say should not be in here, including in the year 2017 (all Lovecraftian in nature - cosmic horror).
Mass Effect – Reapers
Dead Space – Brethren Moons
Prince of Darkness (John Carpenter)
Prometheus (Alien movie)
When I started posting on this wiki, I actually took a look at things. Looking for what was precedent and what has been the norm. Did you think I just out of nowhere decided to start posting pages about Babylon 5, anime like Gunbuster, and so on out of nowhere? I unlike you, apparently actually did my research as to what was on this wiki. I told everybody what I was planning to do and the only person on this whole wiki who was complained about what I am doing is you. Making it sound as if I am out of control and ruining the Lovecraft wiki.
I can see you’re only picking up on the parts of my message that you want to address. I’ll try and answer your points as they have been entered.
Babylon 5 may have a handful of elements inspired by the Mythos but this does not mean that everything in its extensive universe is Lovecraft-influenced. For example, anybody could write a story and include the term First Ones but this does not automatically translate to that piece being Lovecraft-influenced.
I began editing here a short while ago, and through my time spent here encountered content which I do not believe belongs on this wiki. Rather than just ignore them or start removing content arbitrarily, I chose to bring my concerns to the admin, which I saw as the most responsible course of action.
As for information being on the wiki for years, have you ever considered that certain pieces may have been left as editors who lacked any specific knowledge on a subject chose to leave a topic on which they are uncertain alone?
Mass Effect, Dead Space, Prince of Darkness, Cigarette Burns, I have no idea about, and as such wouldn’t consider it appropriate to comment. The Thing, Event Horizon and Stranger Things I surely do agree with. The Alien franchise, probably not.
I don’t think that you just pulled stuff from out of nowhere. I believe that these are things that you want to write about, and that at least some of them have been tenuously and misguidedly linked to the topic of Lovecraft, hence the reason I have brought them to Ringo's attention. As he has stated, collaboration on a wiki is key, and to expect to be allowed to post anything you feel like without having discussion on the subject is somewhat naive. A wave of the hand and a statement or two about how YOU feel that you know better, or that “somebody else wrote about the same show first, so anything I post about it must be alright” just doesn’t cut it for me.
I’m sorry if you feel attacked on this, but have you ever considered that others might feel the same way as me and have simply chosen not to challenge it, or do not believe that they have sufficient knowledge on the topic to argue a case?
If I remember correctly I just put things which were from other pages' trivia sections to the one you linked above, just to have them all in one place. I could have done a mistake so I think it's fair to ask, in the articles' talk pages, whether something is Lovecraftian or not but I will not make a general rule right now.
No other pages used the Mythos Influenced templates before your arrivals so we are breaking new grounds for this wiki. We probably need to adopt a rule about what could or should be covered. But since we don't, I am not sure how/if to distinguish comicism and weird fiction in general from lovecraftian and I don't want to delete a page and set a precedent without some sort of agreement. (The only thing we explicitely exclude is fanfiction --ie not professionally/comercially published works or done without aquiring proper licensing)
I am assuming good faith from other, and I would like everyone to do the same. ie not second-guessing motives behind posts but discussing the contents of these posts.
There have been some pages added recently which I don’t believe belong here. Tyranid is one. If you’re not familiar with Warhammer, the Tyranids are an extra-galactic species of insect-like creatures whose sole purpose is to consume all biological matter in their path. Whilst they may bear some superficial similarities to Lovecraftian aliens, their entire design was ripped off of the creatures created for the Alien franchise by H. R. Giger. Whilst Giger named one of his books the Necronomicon, it was his own work, and Lovecraft's inspiration was minimal.
So, I think that the connection of Tyranids here is tenuous at best. As are the Vorlon and Shadow pages. Tentacles and a desire to control other races do not equate to Lovecraft inspiration.
Yes I agree that it's getting difficult to consider what is lovecraftian-influenced or not. For instance, Geiger has become somewhat synonimous with Lovecraftian aesthetics such as on some special covers of Alan Moore's Providence comics but to consider all Geiger-esque art to be lovecraftian seems a stretch if it's the only link.
At the very least, i think if one of the authors mentioned the influence then it would count. Honestly i am more of "death of the author" mentality but do you think we should make it a policy?
Hi Ringo, how goes? I’ve just seen that a new user is adding the Characters category to Great Old Ones. I’m not sure about this myself, as technically they are characters, but I personally wouldn’t categorise them as such. They’ve also added a few *-like Old Ones categories, which I’m pretty sure are not alright. Anyway, I hope this message finds you well,
Edit: My mistake about the Great Old Ones, I’ve seen that this has been done previously and is accepted. The second part still stands, though.