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    Seems he doesnt like being proven wrong and i dont wanna argue with children online.

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    • I appreciate your interest and passion about this topic. I have closed and deleted the thread and have talked with the person in question directly.

      In the future I encourage you to end the conversation sooner and let me take over when I get on next.

      I appreciate your getting the official clarification from the Fandom people, so that places some context of their and our legal position.

      I just further encourage you to help our community by deescalating these situations if and when they arise. These things can rapidly spiral out of control. Once you state your case, tap out and wait for me to hop in. It may take a few days, but I'll get here.

      I thank you for your continued engagement and look forward to your future contributions!

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    • Yes sir! and im sorry if i stepped my bounds i just dont like people acting so snob.

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    • I totally get it. It's been sorted out. My angle is I want to limit our exposure to any accusation of wrongdoing.

      I understand artists want to protect the work they have put their own time and energy into (regardless of the complicated legalities), and I really want to keep great artists for this site. My feeling is regardless of the legality issues, I would rather us err on the side of the creators, and on the side of the artist that feels wronged.

      The person in question was very protective of their work, and while according to Wikia we have no legal requirement, I want to have artists on the site that want to be here and not those who feel they are being taken advantage of.

      I'm honestly very curious about the legal position of Wikia on this. I know there is a whole slew of lawsuits and motions filed on this issue. The fan industry of derivative work is huge and I personally know many people that derive income from t-shirts, posters, etc. And I'm always amazed by the insane amounts of products at the comic and gaming conventions I attend that are clearly derivative work that I'm certain aren't licensed. It's such a weird time in art and copyright.

      If I could guess Wikia has a sort of "come and get us" sort of approach. They likely have won a handful of suits that established that their sites don't pose any true threat to copyrights. They can then just tell anyone now that they're welcome to sue, just know that you're going to lose.

      I've been trying to go through and attribute and link all the images to their original creator sites if they can be determined. If you want to help on that account I'd love the help. I've just been reverse googling the images and that's been pretty effective overall.

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    • Lol thats what i do to find the original people but in terms of derived work attribution should be the original author of the series than the one making a fanart because fanart itself is not copyrighted free use domain or not.

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    • Yes Beyonder i understand that. Thats the reason why we had to rule that it was not a copy right issue but instead a fair use issue. becasue although fanart is not copy righted the wikia's still need permission from the artists. At least we agreed on that point and now things are moving along. Promethius20 (talk) 13:09, July 23, 2016 (UTC)

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    • Promethius20 wrote: Yes Beyonder i understand that. Thats the reason why we had to rule that it was not a copy right issue but instead a fair use issue. becasue although fanart is not copy righted the wikia's still need permission from the artists. At least we agreed on that point and now things are moving along. Promethius20 (talk) 13:09, July 23, 2016 (UTC)

      Wikia just do it to satisfy but if they see a case of "Not copyrighted" they will laugh and leave.

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    • Beyonder and Prometheus, this situation has been resolved. None of us are legal experts and can not speak from any position of authority regarding the legal status of any particular work. Wikia has made the case that our fair use of material is covered legally. That is the primary concern that has been resolved.

      To further discuss or make claims regarding U.S. copyright law, which is an extremely complex and legally ambiguous issue that remains the subject of many ongoing suits, only welcomes criticism of our work.

      Moving forward, I would most appreciate it if none of us take the position to affirm nor deny the copyright status of any work we use. I recommend should assert our fair use, attribute, link when possible, and reach out to form direct relationships with artists we think would be of value to our community. It is important that we represent and affirm the position of the wiki and the wikia community, and not editorialize or express our personal feelings on this issue.

      I encourage you to help me in attributing work to the creators that put in the time and effort to create that specific artistic work: this is to say the fan artist. I believe it is to be assumed and understood that these images are derived from the work of H.P. Lovecraft and the associated mythos authors. If you don't choose to do that Beyonder, I cannot force you to do so, but I believe it is a courtesy we owe creative people. This is a matter of courtesy, not technicality. If you choose to specify in the citation the source of the derivation, that is appropriate and appreciated. After all, your contributions to the wiki are credited to you, while they are derivative of other's content. That is a value that wiki is founded on, work should be attributed to the contributor no matter how small.

      Ultimately, I do not ask you to agree with me on all of these topics. But I do ask you to respect this as a position that benefits the community in the most general sense and protects us from unnecessary expenditures of time and effort in addressing this issue in the future.

      I continue to value the contributions of both of you and know how hard both of you work. I appreciate your engagement and enthusiasm and hope it can just be freed up now that this issue has been addressed.

      Thank you again.

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